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It seems you are attempting to couch pure heresy in academic language. When you label the Rambam a ‘rationalist,’ what are you actually claiming? Does this label add anything to the Torah he taught or the Mekoros we possess?
You are essentially presented with two options. Either you acknowledge that the Rambam�s worldview aligned perfectly with Chazal, the Medrashim, and the Geonim who preceded him�in which case, your academic labels of ‘rationalist’ vs. ‘mystic’ are irrelevant. Or, you are implicitly claiming that the Rambam was a Koifer who rejected the Medrashim and Chazal. To any faithful Jew, it is obvious that the Rambam was not a heretic. The Rambam�s teachings on the fundamentals of Geulah and Moshiach align with the tradition he received that detail its miraculous nature. You cannot fabricate a machlokes between the Rambam and Chazal based on a modern academic theory. Unless the Rambam explicitly states, ‘I disagree with this Medrash’ or ‘we don’t learn the simple reading of this Midrash,’ we must assume he is in agreement with tradition.
The same logic applies to the Ramban. He certainly did not reject the Gemaras or Chazal. Regarding the Mitzvah of living in Eretz Yisrael and the concept of Kibbush Ha�aretz, there is a vast difference between the Ramban and�l’havdil�the actions of the State of Israel. According to the Ramban, Kibbush Ha�aretz means uprooting of all Avodah Zarah and ensuring the land is totally dominated by Torah observance. The secular State has never done even attempted this. Even if one were to distort the Ramban to claim an obligation to conquer the land now during Golus�which contradicts his other writings�the Zionist State fails to meet that definition.
Regarding your personal attacks: My location is irrelevant to the truth of this argument and I have never said where I live. Beyond that, there is still no obligation for a Jew to move to Eretz Yisrael today; it is a decision based on individual circumstances and Daas Torah�a concept you seem to dismiss.
Finally, I use Torah sources to attack the Zionist idolatry you refer to as Religious Zionism. I reject offering any gratitude to the State of Israel, just as I would reject gratitude toward the Nazi regime, reformist disruptors, or any other anti-Semitic ideology seeking to destroy authentic Judaism.
To finish off the absurdity of your anti-Semitic claims about what Judaism teaches�claims that are truly against the Torah: You skip over all the steps that must take place before Kibbush Ha�aretz in the brocho that you mentioned. Beyond that, you ignore the Shulosh Shavios which forbid ascending en masse/with force to Eretz Yisrael. You also ignore the great danger that exists for Jews living all together in one spot. Chazal say that one of the blessings of our exile was that we were dispersed as a safety measure, so that the Jewish people could not be wiped out at once.
But you don�t worry about that, because you aren’t concerned with saving Jewish lives. You are concerned with saving the Zionist idolatry and maintaining political power for your government, despite the rivers of Jewish blood that are spilled to keep those evil people in power.
It is not just about Nusach HaTefillah or the specific dispute regarding those who include the word ‘l’artzeini’ and those who don’t. For some reason, you reject the words Raavad that say the Kibbutz Galiyosis going to initially be in the Midbar (wilderness). You reject that, you reject all the sources I�ve mentioned and you reject all the Divine threats of punishment�all for your fake Moshiach called the State of Israel. All for your fake redemption that cares for nothing in Torah except for your own desire to have guns, violence, and power. Zionism is a sick religion.
