Reply To: traffic tickets and lesser charges but NOT FBI searches

thank you zd for derailing this thread back to where it was. i wasnt talking about the investigation or embezzling and throwing it back into the discussion means never really getting an answer. the topic here was supposed to be honesty and integrity but it seems its just easier to excuse ourselves while flattening others.

bringing up rubashkin is always ridiculous. not one person in this coffeeroom has a clue to the real details and throwing the case around as an example just creates drama. that was one of the reasons i moved to a new thread.

pleading guilty to a crime you did not commit, and pleading not guilty to a crime you did commit are sheker. nisht’s only defense was that everyone is doing it. saying that R’ Kanievsky chose pleading lesser to a chillul Hashem is SO FAR from a proof of pleading to be sheker that it is laughable. that is like saying that i know you should wash netilas yadaim by wiping your hands on trees because when we were in a draught that is what our rav paskened.

its the same theme over and over again, the level of honesty and integrity expected and excused by posters here over the years is so drastically different from what i was raised with and live with in my community. the fact that people argue that they can’t even see the problem is something they may want to think harder about. the fact that embezzling and rubashkin were brought back into this thread means that none of my points will really be audible.

and so it goes….