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Chortkov
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Most of us come from working families, and those who were privileged to have an even more Torahdike upbringing

I’ll disagree with this premise. Why do you make the assumption that a Kollel family is more “Torah-dike” than other families, where the children see their parents make sacrifices for the RBSO? Kollel, especially in EY, is the easy way out. It certainly is not true with Chassidim.

I guess I’m a fool for thinking that adding “[and yes, i KNOW that the two are not directly related etc. etc.]” would stop people from attacking this one line.

My assumption is based on the Kollel people I have met. Almost every kid in yeshiva with me whose father is still in learning has a more solid set of Hashkafos, and lives an entirely different lifestyle to those of us more exposed to the outside world. I am well aware that not everyone in Kollel is not exposed. I am also well aware that there are some working people without internet access and without the exposure. But on a general basis (UK Facts; I’ve never been to USA, and can’t tell you anything about Israel) – children from kollel families are on the whole on a higher standard of yiras shamayim than those from working families. I am jealous of them.

And your premise that kollel people are taking the easy way out is just a blatant lie. I know first hand of kollel families in Eretz Yisroel who barely have money for chicken on Shabbos, who struggle to feed their own children. Very intelligent men who would have been successful in the business world. And they are sacrificing everything for Torah. (There are many who are sacrificing far more, but I am talking on a first hand basis) — Incidentally, they are among the happiest people I have met. Their children see much more sacrifice for Torah than any working family.

(And, of course, sacrifice [whichever sacrifice you refer to] isn’t the only form of Chinuch. Just saying.)