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At the risk of arguing that this is semantics, I believe it is just that – if we can agree that punishments are necessary when infractions are perpetrated, then it is logical that those punishments are part of the disciplinary inculcation that CT was referring to. The punishing act, be it tangential (time out, etc) or corporeal, has the effect of discipline, since the child has learned that when he does A, B(negative consequence) happens. He therefore is trained not to do B.

Hitting children is a touchy subject with a lot of reactionary speech that is born of trauma and/or lack of education. It serves no purpose to discuss in this forum the merits and shortcomings of the practice and its relevant sources, whether it’s a mitzvah, a necessary evil, or ill advised in our times. We’ve been down this road before from the same poster, who unfortunately seems to have a preoccupation with this subject. I wish her the best.
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I caution anyone who might be offended or who has experienced trauma in this regard to not read the following paragraph.
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It is worthwhile to mention the gemara in makos daf 8a, which says very openly that it is a mitzvah to hit one’s child even if they are learned and not expected to do something wrong, because of the Pasuk of yosir bincha vayinechecha (interesting that chazal derive this mitzvah from here and not from chosech shivto). In previous discussions of this matter, this gemara was not mentioned for some reason

This also obviates all attempts at “drushifying” chosech shivto etc