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yankel berel
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You keep bringing up Shmuel Hanovi. I haven�t seen anywhere that Dovid was meant to doubt every instruction he got from Shmuel because based on the earlier incident he proved that he isn�t �infallible.�
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I never advocated for doubting every instruction. Neither did I advance some ‘deep’ philosophy re infallibility.

Infallibility is not ‘deep’. It is extremely simple.

Can he make a mistake or can’t he make a mistake.

In a sentence of eleven words its done . Short and simple. If you want , Even shorter – Can he or can’t he ?

Thats where I request some ‘sunlight’ .

Kol hameharher and lo tasur are not guarantees of infallibility.
If a person would argue with his rebbi like the BAAL HATURIM did with his father ,the gadol hador, the ROSH , can we accuse him of being meharher achar rabo ?
Can we accuse him of transgressing ‘lo tasur’ ?

What was BAAL HATURIM’s message , in other words , to his father .[Respectfully of course.]

Sorry , but here you made a MISTAKE.
This was common practice by all Tanna’im ,Amora’im, Rishonim and Poskim through the ages.

So for a hasid of habad , and for sure a non hasid of habad , to say to their rebbi , SORRY BUT HERE YOU MADE A MISTAKE, is perfectly legitimate.

Question is and remains – is there any source or any proof , showing that this is illegitimate ? Yes or no ?

If yes – could you say where this is ?

Its not ‘tsadiq of tanya’ . Its not kol hameharher . Its not lo tasur .

So what is it ?

As simple a request as possible .

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