Reply To: The antizionism amongst religious Jews has no legitimate detractors

@somejew
Have not had time for avnei nezer yet.

But re the other comments. It is as clear as day that the overwhelming majority of rabbanim disagreed and still disagree with satmar rav in vayoel moshe.

There are reasons they did not publish a sefer against, one of them possibly as rav shach is reputed to have said- it is always good to listen to criticism from the right as in between ten things they say , they might be right on one of them. And if we start arguing back, the battle lines will have been drawn and that one precious thing will be lost to us.

There were other reasons too.

Beside the above, in kayane de igrata and in ba’yot hazman there are clear differences of opinion with satmar rav, backed up by precedence and torah logic.

So there is no inference to made by the fact there are ‘no sfarim’ against satmar , that satmar remains halacha lemaase.

In fact the exact opposite is true . Not only did the majority not accept satmar shitah, even satmar itself did not accept satmar shitah all the way.

Think about the following:
1] There is a huge difference between reform or jews for j, on one side and zionism on the other.
No one [besides fringe coockoo’s] will passel a get or kidushin with fully frum believers in zionism as edim. Whereas even fully observant reform and jews for j’s gittin vakidushin will be nifsal even with serious ,generations long repercussions of mamzerut.

2] I remember rav aharon from satmar speaking to his hasidim after the pigu’a in the yeshiva lits’irim in merkaz harav when murderers killed boys in the yeshiva.

I remember how he said that even when we have rightful hilukei dei’ot with merkaz harav , nevertheless we should be mitsta’er betsa’aram etc.

Could you have ever imagined him saying this about jews for j lehavdil ???

For sure not.

So all the rhetoric about the kfira of zionism is nothing more than …. rhetoric .
I am talking about the consensus of Orthodox Judaism here.

This not to be taken literally and halacha lema’aseh-
this is rhetoric , designed to pull people away from zionism.

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Anyone looking for emet will see the truth in what I have written.