YYA > The ones who listened and (many of them) died ?? ????? ???, or the ones who didn�t listen, and lived (many of them were also killed) as ????? ??? and ???? ????? … Many Chareidim attempted to go to Eretz Yisroel,
First, apples & oranges. We are trying to compare religious Jews who stayed and those who went. Not those who were not religious. And you are sugar-coating here: many of those who later called themselves charedim were actively advising their followers to stay in Europe using logic that you use above – that going to America or EY would lead to shmad. I am not saying that there is no truth in this argument, but I think if the discussion was: would you like to go there or die here – the followers would not listen, and probably most rabbis would not advise so. I heard someone asking R Zelig Epstein – how did Mir Yeshiva left Vilna in 1940(!) despite R Grozdenski’s daas Torah? He quipped: it was not a problem, it was before daas Torah.