Chaim87 said:
1) “Even the evil Mapai guys shot or killed those that threatened them”
Who threatened to KILL them or who threatened their hold on power? Minor difference. [BTW, Mapam and Mapai were two different parties. Mapam was an ultra-Left, fanatically secular, communist-leaning party connected mainly to the Kibbutz movement. The choice of a Mapam guy as the head of the “Hatzalah” department speaks volumes about the intentions of the Zionists.]
2) “Not everyone was on the same page. the zionists in Europe were out to save jews for sure.”
Don’t be so sure. There were individuals among them both in Europe and in ‘Palestine’ (as it was called then) who did want to save Jews no matter what, (mostly from the Revisionist movement who the Labor Zionists despised, sidelined, and sometimes murdered), but the policy as a movement and most of the Zionists as individuals were only interested in bringing Jews to ‘Palestine’, even post ’39 when immigration was highly restricted. Zionism was never about “saving Jews”. It was about building a secular Jewish identity grounded in a state, like “French are to France”. Saving Jews was just a ???? ???? to achieve a Jewish majority in Israel, something that only was achieved in the 50s.
Please do not turn this into YET ANOTHER thread about Zionism and the Holocaust, something totally irrelevant to the opening subject.