Chaim87 – “But they were jews to and once they saw the gravity they also wanted to save jews like evryone else. This is the overwhelming proof.”
That isn’t any sort of proof, just an emotional statement without bringing any support.
“Yes Zionism was about Israel and not saving jews.”
OK, so we agree on that. If so, then what is the ????? of being a Zionist vis-a-vis saving Jews? Bring me any concrete evidence that Zionists did anything to save Jews during the Holocaust if their destination wasn’t British Palestine.
“Yeah zionists are liars and just out for themselves. Us frum oh we are the noble honest ones.”
Compared to them we are ?????? ??????. We aren’t ???? ???, or ?????? ????????, we don’t kill our political opponents or persecute them with ‘lawfare’, we do Mitzvos and avoid Aveiros. Are there things we need to do better? Of course. But to compare any Frum Jew with a regular non-observant Jew, let alone the political leaders of Israel then and now, is a total non-starter.
I don’t have time to hock a chainik on another pointless debate about Zionism or the Holocaust. You haven’t cited any sources or shed any light, all you did was to mock and belittle those who you disagree with, while doing exactly what you accuse them of doing. I’m not sure what your problem is with Ben Hecht, who was not Chareidi or Frum. The reality is that this debate goes all the way back to the time when the events occurred, so that says ?????… The leaders of the young State went to great lengths to silence any accusations of the sort Ben Hecht made, including banning his book, and several mysterious deaths, so that also says ?????…
That being said, I agree with Yankel Berel (and not with ‘philosopher’) that none of this is relevant to the current situation with Iran.